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Macintosh? operating system based on FreeBSD?, pronounced OS ten.




Tsunami writes:

Currently, I am just starting to come to grips with this OS, and finding that it hand-holds you so much, that you find that your hand is firmly held in an arm lock.

For example: as standard, OSX only allows you to share one folder over a network. You have no control over which folder that is, or where on your system it is. Installing Samba might fix this problem, but currently there isn't a version of Samba that works with the current version of the OS....
This is simply not the case.--King DJ
Also, ITunes? has only one folder that you can use to store MP3s in. Any attempt to point it at another folder, results in it moving the MP3s to the folder it wants them in. Once again, you can't move this folder.
Not sure exactly what you're trying to do here, or what the problem is - Indeed, iTunes has a 'music library' folder that is by default /users/username/Music?/iTunes Music.  However, that's just the default place that music created by iTunes gets stored to.  You can add MP3s to iTunes's list by using 'file->add to library' and it doesn't, for me, change the location of the file.  Or you can move a file from the 'iTunes Music' folder and it will remain in the iTunes list --Mjb67.
This isn't an OS, it is a toy. --Tsunami
Glad somebody else made this point. You can in fact set it to use your entire hard disc as the "music folder".--King DJ

Ahh... yes and no.  Forget directories.  OSX does not do directories.  It uses a different abstraction for your data.  Think of it as a state.  You have files.  These files can be of state "Music" and/or state "Shared".  Within ITunes (or the folder sharing thingy whose name I forget) you can also put them into collections (directories) to make them easier to sort.  Now, if you don't like that abstraction, yes, you are sunk.  (Or you have to go back to bsd - which is easy to do)  But then, if you don't like directories under Windows you're in similar trouble.  --Vitenka
Wasn't Longhorn supposed to be heading in that direction too? - MoonShadow
Ok, then. How do I get it to share a  different "state" from the default one? --Tsunami
Nope, you're missing the point.  Under System, an action that in windows you might think of as 'copying' is actually just making a link, or adding it to that state.  So the intention is that you 'copy' everything you want to be shared into the 'shared' bucket.  --Vitenka (Having said that, other people also do not like this abstraction and have been 'fixing' it, as below)
This isn't the way MY OSX works, I don't think.--King DJ

I think you might also be having an issue with the use of the words 'directory' and 'folder'.  Folders are where you store files, which makes metaphorical (or is that idiomatic?) sense.  In OSX, a directory is an addressable database of, well, just about anything you like, and can be used to control the sharing of stuff and the musicness of stuff if you know how (they are really badly documented, because the directory is supposed to be modified only by official graphical tools).  However in MS speak (and indeed in Unix speak) directories are the same as folders (this is due to the ancient Unix method of storing the locations of files in a directory).  Windows has a 'directory' of properties too, but it is called the registry.  HTH --Mjb67.

..in other words, a file can be shared and music *at the same time*. So AIUI "How do I get it to share a  different "state" from the default one?" is the wrong question - you want to ask "How do I make my file in 'music' also be in 'shared'". - MoonShadow
To which the answer is, simply, drag it there.  Let the System handle the strangeness.  --Vitenka
You can change both sharing and iTunes preferences trivially to allow this. There is no more need to follow the given folder structure than there is to play Bob and Betty Newbie in the Sims!--King DJ
I only just discovered this, and was about to make the changes myself, but you beat me too it by about 10 seconds ^_^ --Tsunami

Ah, was looking at how to do this and found http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints/ instead.  Might be worth a bash? --Mjb67
Thanks for the tip. Looking into that now. --Tsunami



Alternatives, BTW - BSD? (Be it open free network or whatever) runs fine on the hardware - you can use that instead.  Or you can get a RealComputer? [[;)]]  --Vitenka
Could, if it belonged to me. But this is my work machine. --Tsunami
I don't get this, you can set access privileges in exactly the same way as in Mac OS 9 using accounts instead of users and groups and changing ownership using get info->ownership->details.--King DJ
You can, but that only applies to users who are local to the machine. That does not affect notwork users. --Tsunami
Well it is a fact that on my LAN at home I can share the whole hard disc using this method. I think that network and local access privileges are one and the same.--King DJ
As far as I can tell, you can easily share the main HD, but if you add another drive (as we needed to do), then trying to share anything on that doesn't work. --Tsunami
I am able to share additional drives at home. What is the problem exactly?--King DJ
All available documentation says that OSX (in its standard form) is only able to share one folder, located on the same drive that the OS is installed on. however, that problem has been kinda superceded by another one. My bosses OSX Mac has forgotten how to login. Whe he starts it, he gets the black screen, and a login command prompt. After logging in, what should he type to get the standard Mac login GUI? And yes, this is the machine with the two hard drives that we want to share both of, so until this is fixed, all other problems are a little lower in priority ^_^ --Tsunami
I really can't pretend I know what is going on but does it give a specific message? Apple suggest zapping the P-RAM which you do by holding down Command, Option, P, and R while starting up and waiting for the computer to restart itself. However if the problem is caused by tinkering rather than corrupted P-RAM it won't do much. Getting to the finder from the prompt is covered in something I have read but I can't remember where to find it.--King DJ
Well, in the end, they made the desision to re-install the OS, rather than use up time trying to sort it out (not the way I would have done it, but there you go). However, once the re-install process was finished, we found that the old user accounts were still there, and we were able to log back in to them without problems. As to the trouble with trying to share more than one folder, I have been told that it is no longer a problem, as we have been given more space on the main server until we get our own section server. As ever, fix problems by throwing money at them.... --Tsunami


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