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Jumlian kicked this off on the OpenUniversity page with the OffHand? statement: ... given the current state of TV in this country (dumbed down to point of futility - I no longer own a TV)

And it seems to deserve its own page.  Here are the comments, moved.  Some attributions are, unfortunately, lost.




Oh, and you're unnecessarily rude about this country's TV. It's not as good as it was but as long as we have things like State of Play it's worth owning a TV.
Ditto on the not owning a TV.  But I understood both the TravelingSalesmanProblem? and PascalsTriangle? at the age of seven, solely due to those shows.  Bring them back, or make new ones.  Heck, just video some other universities lectures!  --Vitenka
Um, perhaps it was just a bad patch - but there seems to be very little content on the terrestial channels now.  I'll try not to be snobbish about it, but do we really need another gardening show, another 'redecorate someones house' show, or a show named "Wife Swap"?  I think not.  The little good that we have is, I admit, very very good.  Whilst the good science shows are a good thing, and making them interesting is good too, I don't see the value in stopping broadcast of a lot of the old stuff.  --Vitenka
(In response to the comment concerning "unneccessary rudeness" above).  I dunno.  You're making a subjective extrapolation there that assumes I find that there's something worth watching on TV.  I don't necessarily contend that point.  There probably are things worth watching.  While I'm unable to comment on State of Play, not having a TV to watch it on, there are a couple of things I do miss - The Simpsons, say, or more bizarrely the WeatherForecast - however I rarely miss it to the point of thinking I need a TV.  The occasional film is all I miss, really.  And then I can always get a DVD drive for my computer.  But the big question is how much are you willing to pay to watch them?  The point is I do not find anything on TV that to my mind would justify the outlay for a TV and license.  Instead I read newspapers, books and other such things when I get the opportunity, and listen to the radio - admittedly commonly BBC radio - occasionally.  This more than makes up for losing what I find to be a depressingly small subset of "interesting" TV.  --Jumlian




One other point of interest - TiVo? seems to be having an unanticipated consequence.  People are using it to schedule the shows that they know that they want to watch and then.. just not watching anything else.  After they've watched every Simpsons episode (or whatever) they find that they definitely don't want to go back to broadcast TeleVision? (adverts etc.) but they don't really know of anything else that they want to watch.  So some people are just... turning off.  No statistics, just comments threads on SlashDot?.  --Vitenka

That's interesting. How do people normally come across things they want to watch, and why does TiVo? stop that? MoonShadow, for instance, always used to find out about stuff he wanted to watch from TV listings in the papers; for that matter, he used to record a lot of it to tape and watch it some time his parents weren't using the TV; he doesn't see why TiVo? should affect people with that sort of usage pattern at all, so clearly there must be some other - perhaps more popular - usage pattern. What is it? --MoonShadow

Wow.  I never heard of anyone who actually managed to do that.  The more common, though dumber, pattern is: 1. Turn on TV.  2. Watch TV.  Possibly there is some intent in 1 to watch something specific, but you see what's on before and after it, and what's on other channels during advert breaks (or boring bits)  TiVo? cuts out all of that, though it does give you a 'guess what I might like' auto-dj option.  --Vitenka

Mph. So I guess TiVo? owners don't do the "I have some spare time and I'm bored, so I'll turn on the TV and sit there watching whatever's on" thing because they've always got *something* recorded that they *know* they want to watch. Out of interest, anyone know how much effect dropping adverts is having on TV station revenue? - or has it not propagated yet? --MoonShadow

No idea - but it is plainly going to drop to zero, and quickly.  In the US they are likely to compensate by moving to product placement within shows.  Here, that is illegal.  And window-in-window etc. can all be cut out by spam filters the same way adverts can.  --Vitenka

Ah, comments threads on Slashdot. The voice of the masses there.




FWIW, MoonShadow and SunKitten don't have a receiving TV. MoonShadow reads papers and listens to the radio on his way to/from work for news, watches the occasional film or whatever on DVD/video and mucks about on the net lots; he doesn't particularly miss TV - he has a huge backlog of stuff to watch/read even without it; OTOH, he has no particular objection to having one, just doesn't think he'd use it much. How typical is this of the ToothyWikizens?

When there are events of national importance on (eg wars) I find I keep the TV on all the time, turned to a news channel, with the sound off until I see a headline I want to hear the story for. --DR
My parents do that. I find the high-pitched noise TVs make when they're on annoying - I'd rather have the volume up or the TV off. I tend to hog ananova and the BBC news ticker :) - MoonShadow

PeterTaylor didn't miss TV much when he didn't have it (at College, he watched the occasional football match in the JCR; at TheShrubbery, there wasn't a TV), but since moving to a house with a TV (and now with NTL cable TV) he's got into the habit of watching TV over dinner, it being easier than reading, writing or taking dinner into his bedroom, where his computer is located. I mainly watch BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament, although I channel-surf to find films which look interesting (or episodes of Friends, Simpsons or Have I Got News For You).

We at Oblivion don't have one - by mutual agreement. We put the one the landlady supplied in storage, and just don't watch it. I do occasionally have the desire to veg out, but find that anime on tap more than sublimates that. Edith reads bbc.co.uk obsessively, and I'm prone to reading newspapers cover to cover whenever I run across them, so we're not too out of touch. We have Sky Digital at home, and I just don't feel the urge to watch it when I'm there. -- TI



Edith just came back from his parents (who have a TV) to Oblivion (which doesn't). The only thing he misses were Christmas films (you can't see Zulu or The Great Escape too many times), comedy and Columbo. Edith can probably live without the first two just fine.



Angoel doesn't have a TV.  Or rather he has one which isn't connected to his gamecube rather than the outside world.  And even that rarely if ever gets used.  If I had a TV, I suspect I'd either never watch it, or it would interfere with my desire to go out and do stuff (or stay in and do stuff, for that matter).  In either case, I'm not sure that having one is a good idea.


-hart has a physical device called a TV, but uses it as a fancy monitor.  The game consoles plug into it, so it shows blueray discs and video games.  His take is that TV programming is adjusted to communicate to the intellectual equivalent of the lowest common denominator about subjects of interest to them.  This is snooty, but on the other hand, someone has to have kept AmericasFunniestHomeVideos? running since 1989.

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