MoonShadow received an email a few minutes ago from one Kosztolanyi about Primordial M Water, complaining about the mention of it on this site. MoonShadow is about to reply, asking Kosztolanyi to state his/her views on this page.
(Uh... the 'for' site would appear to be blatant lies and spam - just from the style of it. Was that really the best 'pro' site you could find?)
MoonShadow: As far as I can tell, that is David Wheeler's site - that's the guy who came up with the stuff and sells it to people. I would like to post the email, but don't want to without the guy's permission. I am wondering about putting something along the lines of "by using this link to send us email you're saying it's OK for us to publish it on the site" wherever our email address occurs on toothycat.net to streamline things in the future. Basically, he told SunKitten off for saying pretty much what you just said.
SunKitten: I was pretty rude about it, actually. I must've been in a bad mood. I could have been more polite but, well, read the excerpt quoted [here].
(PeterTaylor) I found a better one: "water that hydrates easily".
SunKitten: I think I could say that my main problem was with the wording of the blurb, not (necessarily) the product, though - I don't know enough about PrimordialMWater to comment on its usefulness. I don't think I want to.
Bother. I just noticed I made a spelling mistake in the above-linked strip/rant. My bad.
Oh right. Perhaps we have both been incredibly rude to a non-native english speaker? Or possibly, as you postulated, some kind of artificial unintelligence. Whoops. I'm surprised that this person goes to the trouble of mailing everyone who mentions it in a bad light, but I probably shouldn't be. --Vitenka
SunKitten: That it was written by someone who does not speak English as his native language is not impossible. Until recently, I would have thought that a person advertising a product in anything other than his own native tongue would at least get a native speaker of that language to check over the blurb to make sure it was correct. However, I recently came across an entire book ("How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday", written by Hiroyuki Nishigaki; ISBN 0595094724 ) translated by the author without recourse to a translation service. So who knows?
But in any case, the grammar and spelling (which I think was fine) were not in question so much as the science.
and also invites some questions. Like "How on Earth does one graduate from an American college after 4 years with a doctorate?" They take 4 years for a bachelor's, and a further 5-8 for a Ph.D. Surely you can't get an MD in 4 years? And as SunKitten says, the science is very much in question, and the website makes no reference to peer review, journal publications, or reproduction of results by other laboratories.
The fact that this is advertised as blatant SnakeOil isn't in doubt. But I'd raise the point that UK universities also offer 3-4 year bachelors, yet you can go to cambridge, go on to do a Ph.D. an get your masters in between without any time expenditure dedicated to it. Perhaps some american universities are similar? (Or maybe he's just pulled a DerekSmart?)
(PeterTaylor) My point is that in England it takes 6 years to get a Ph.D. (or 5 if you're really good - Senior Wranglers have been known to manage - although I think that in that case you still have to wait a year to collect it), and in the U.S. it takes longer. You'd have to be alloted a supervisor and funding despite not having a bachelor's, or do your research and write up your dissertation in your own time and then submit it cold, to get a Ph.D. in 4 years.
Hang on, hang on, no it doesn't. The standard British PhD is 3 years. Most students overrun by at least one year. I did mine in 4 years, and I'm certainly no genius - SunKitten
You also got a bachelors first, which took three years, bringing you to seven... --Vitenka
True. I'd forgotten the Bachelors was included. The perils of returning to an old conversation ;) Needless to say, the individual who originally emailed me to tell me not to knock PrimordialMWater never replied ;) - SunKitten
(Note on translation: the classic is a Portuguese-English dictionary written 17th or 18th C by a Portuguese man who knew no English but had a Portuguese-French dictionary and a French-English dictionary. Some of his examples of idiom are wonderful. If I can remember which book I saw them in, I'll post them.)
Hang on, isn't this the stuff that made a US Senator's skin turn silver? --Vitenka