Rare? {laughs drink out of nose} Um, no. Horribly horribly common and almost always bad. There's a Spellsinger series (eight or so books) with names like "The perilous perambulator" which (abuses) this cliche, and even [Baen] has a couple. --Vitenka Wait, hang on - do you mean Fantasy in a CyberPunk setting or ViceVersa?? Both are horribly common, mind, but I just gave examples of the latter. --Vitenka